【國內新訊】東風本田停售1.5T CR-V,台灣本田發出聲明「不受影響」!

yanchsal wrote:
真的 看他一個人回文...(恕刪)

喜歡貼就讓他貼吧~貼那麼多也不知道他要說什麼,難怪一直被刪文。
重點是事主都沒出聲說沒事了,這仁兄的車既沒機油增生也沒生鏽倒是非常熱心,應該是正義的化身吧!
原來這篇還有人在討論啊~~
來說說後續吧!
5月拆封後沒有明顯增生的現象,再次換入美孚1號 EP 0W/20 3.3L
到8月開了5400K保養燈亮了(表示油還可以用1500KM),那就來去保養換油囉!
這次漏出來只剩3.0L,哈哈~因為其間我裝了機油油溫油壓監控錶,拆濾芯二次,漏掉了300CC左右
當時很奇怪,因為拉油尺看刻度竟然跟當時加新油的位置一樣,以為又增生了(裝錶時新油才開1000KM左右)
所以,這次保養又帶了量杯去量漏出來的量,還好,只有3.0L沒有多出來!
這二次沒增生算是比較放心了,但是我覺得,這現象到冬天可能會有不一樣的狀況,
第一次開2400KM增生了350CC(10%),跟這二次(一次約3000KM原廠油,一次5400KM一樣美孚EP0W/20)沒明顯增生
不同的用車狀況是氣候變熱了,還有我很努力的減少怠速,可能也是增生現象沒再明顯發生的原因吧!
我是在想,本田這麼有信心的認為這重濕壁現象造成燃油稀釋並不會影響引擎的正常運作,身為車主,就相信原廠吧!!!
畢竟沒壞掉也沒啥好說嘴的啊!!!等真的壞了再說吧!!

另外,自己DIY換了音響喇叭後,才發現,原廠喇叭真的好像玩具哦!
也看好多人去裝中置喇叭直接並接左右聲道,這樣效果好嗎?
我自己是加了可以直推中置喇叭5.1聲道的DSP,蠻不錯的!!

sevenwu wrote:
原來這篇還有人在討...(恕刪)


看看這個冬天會不會有一樣的問題吧
溫度上比較有機會出現狀況

辛苦了

冬天短程油溫確實比較慢上升,未達工作溫度前就盡量別大腳應該可以減少發生的機會。
sevenwu wrote:
原來這篇還有人在討論啊~~
來說說後續吧!
5月拆封後沒有明顯增生的現象,再次換入美孚1號 EP 0W/20 3.3L
到8月開了5400K保養燈亮了(表示油還可以用1500KM),那就來去保養換油囉!
這次漏出來只剩3.0L,哈哈~因為其間我裝了機油油溫油壓監控錶,拆濾芯二次,漏掉了300CC左右
當時很奇怪,因為拉油尺看刻度竟然跟當時加新油的位置一樣,以為又增生了(裝錶時新油才開1000KM左右)
所以,這次保養又帶了量杯去量漏出來的量,還好,只有3.0L沒有多出來!
這二次沒增生算是比較放心了,但是我覺得,這現象到冬天可能會有不一樣的狀況,
第一次開2400KM增生了350CC(10%),跟這二次(一次約3000KM原廠油,一次5400KM一樣美孚EP0W/20)沒明顯增生
不同的用車狀況是氣候變熱了,還有我很努力的減少怠速,可能也是增生現象沒再明顯發生的原因吧!
我是在想,本田這麼有信心的認為這重濕壁現象造成燃油稀釋並不會影響引擎的正常運作,身為車主,就相信原廠吧!!!
畢竟沒壞掉也沒啥好說嘴的啊!!!等真的壞了再說吧!!

另外,自己DIY換了音響喇叭後,才發現,原廠喇叭真的好像玩具哦!
也看好多人去裝中置喇叭直接並接左右聲道,這樣效果好嗎?
我自己是加了可以直推中置喇叭5.1聲道的DSP,蠻不錯的!!

感謝仗義解釋原委~
粉:嗆準車主裝裝甲有人生意義,五代也生鏽是合理的事. 指出車廠缺失:反而是個性有問題,趕快賣車!
加拿大也會釋放出解決方案..
(只有大陸製的引擎有問題..哈)
http://www.hondanews.ca/en/news/release/Statement-Regarding-Irregularly-High-Oil-Levels-in-Certain-Honda-Vehicles
Statement Regarding Irregularly High Oil Levels in Certain Honda Vehicles

Honda has received some reports in Canada of irregularly high oil levels in certain Honda vehicles, which may be the result of extreme cold weather conditions. Honda is currently investigating the situation and developing a countermeasure. Honda is hopeful that vehicle enhancements will be released to address this condition in the next several months. At this time, Honda has no reason to believe that this potential issue affects the safe operation of a vehicle or results in any regulatory non-compliance. We encourage customers with concerns about their vehicle to visit their nearest Honda dealer to have their vehicle inspected. The vehicle’s warranty will apply to any related service or repairs.
cnn/cr都報導了..
以拖待變..有比馬廠高級?

總結:
買H車要懂機率..
不單單只有cx5柴引..會掛在高速公路了..
美國南部也會發生增生..

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/05/cars/consumer-reports-honda-cr-v-engine-trouble/index.html?utm_source=fbbusiness&utm_term=link&utm_medium=social&utm_content=2018-10-05T16%3A03%3A03
Consumer Reports: Honda CR-Vs plagued by engine trouble

By Peter Valdes-Dapena, CNN Business

Updated 1937 GMT (0337 HKT) October 5, 2018

(CNN)The Honda CR-V, one of the most popular vehicles in America, is plagued by a potentially dangerous engine problem that could cause the small SUVs to lose power or even stall, according to Consumer Reports magazine.

In some CR-Vs, gasoline can leak into the SUV's engine oil. That can eventually cause the engine to lose power or stall completely. Several Consumer Reports subscribers reported the issue which has also been the subject of of dozens of complaints to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, according to the magazine. Many more owners have complained of the problem in online forums, Consumer Reports said.

Several CR-V owners have posted complaints with NHTSA reporting a strong smell of unburned gasoline as a result of fuel getting into the engine's lubricating oil.

A Honda spokesman took issue with Consumer Reports' contention that the problem is widespread, saying there are hundreds of thousands of CR-Vs on the road so a problem affecting even a tiny percentage of them could result in a fairly large number of complaints.

Honda's Chris Martin said the automaker is working to figure out a fix for the problem and hopes to have one ready by mid-November. Honda does not consider the problem to be a safety threat requiring a recall. Owners with concerns about the problem should visit a Honda dealer for an inspection. Any needed repairs will be covered under their warranty, the automaker said.

Consumer Reports counters that the issue is, indeed, safety related.

"There are many ways stalling can be a safety issue, so if these cars are stalling, they need to be recalled," said David Friedman, vice president for Advocacy at Consumer Reports and a former acting NHTSA director.



Some 2017 and 2018 Honda CR-Vs can be damaged by oil leaking into the vehicles' lubricating oil.

The problem occurs in 2017 and 2018 CR-Vs with Honda's new 1.5-liter turbocharged engine. Somehow, gasoline is getting into the car's lubricating oil which should not normally happen, Consumer Reports said. That dilutes the engine oil making it less effective at lubricating the engine. Over time, that can lead to engine damage and loss of power or stalling, especially on cold days or in heavy traffic.

Honda says the problem has occurred mostly in northern parts of the country during short drives in extreme cold weather. Consumer Reports said the problem had been reported to the magazine by CR-V owners as far south as Texas and New Mexico.

Honda spokesman Martin took issue with Consumer Reports' contention that the problem is geographically more widespread than the automaker says. Honda also pointed out that it is normal for small amounts of gasoline to find their way into the engine's oil but it usually burns away during continued driving.

"While others may easily complain online of experiencing something similar under other circumstances," Martin said in an email, "it is premature and a bit irresponsible to link them all together without physical inspections of the vehicles, which is what [Consumer Reports] has done here."

Honda has recalled CR-Vs in China for a similar issue. But, Honda said those vehicles do not have precisely the same engine used in CR-Vs sold in the United States,

When an automaker issues a safety recall in the United States, it is legally required to fix the problem, at no charge to the owner, in all potentially affected vehicles. Automakers frequently do other sorts of updates and fixes to vehicles, at their discretion, without necessarily fixing the problem in all vehicles.
Consumer Report的原文在此:
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-repair-maintenance/honda-cr-v-affected-by-engine-trouble/

最後還給建議:
What Honda, and Owners, Should Do Now
Consumer Reports has recommended the CR-V in each of the past 21 years, and the car has received high marks in our annual car reliability survey.

Still, there’s no good reason gas should mix with engine oil in a new car, and nobody should have to take that car in for oil changes every few hundred or thousand miles, Friedman says.
Here’s some advice for current or potential CR-V owners:

If you have a 2017 or 2018 Honda CR-V with a 1.5 turbo engine, watch for the warning signs of this oil-fuel problem. Most important, check the oil frequently to see whether the level seems high, something almost everyone we talked with said they noticed. Also watch for other signs, including stalling, loss of power, a smell of gas in the passenger compartment, and heaters that don’t work well or at all in cold weather.
If your car is experiencing any of the symptoms above, take it to the dealer. Tell the dealer that you know that Honda hopes to have a fix in November, and you would like the repair done as soon as possible.
If you’ve noticed the problem for several months, and Honda has failed to address it, consider looking into your state’s lemon law, which could require the company to buy the car back. Haughton, in Delaware, said he is thinking about taking that step. (The Center for Auto Safety maintains a list of state lemon laws, or you can go to your state attorney general’s website.)
You could also consider taking Honda to small claims court, though the amount you can win could be limited to your repair cost.
Note that some 2017 Honda CR-Vs are subject to a separate, unrelated recall related to possible fuel leaks. If that recall applies to your car, get that repair done right away and consider asking the dealer about the company’s proposed fix to the oil-fuel problem at the same time. (To see whether this or any other recall applies to your Honda, or any other vehicle, go to NHTSA’s recall page.)
If you’re currently in the market for a Honda CR-V, you could consider waiting until the 2019 model becomes available, sometime this fall. Honda said it will have addressed the problem by then.
If you have a CR-V with the oil-dilution problem and experience stalling or loss of engine power, report it to both Honda and NHTSA. The automaker and the regulator could change their approaches to the problem if they get enough similar complaints. To report a problem to NHTSA, call 888-327-4236 or go to one of the agency’s websites, NHTSA.gov or safercar.gov. To contact Honda customer service, call 800-999-1009 or go to its customer service website.
本田和業主現在應該做些什麼
消費者報告在過去的21年中每年都推薦使用CR-V,這款車在我們的年度汽車可靠性調查中獲得了高分。

弗里德曼說,儘管如此,天然氣應該與新車中的發動機油混合沒有任何理由,沒有人應該讓這輛車每隔幾百或幾千英里換油。
以下是對當前或潛在CR-V所有者的一些建議:

如果您有2017或2018年本田CR-V和1.5渦輪增壓發動機,請注意這種燃油問題的警告信號。最重要的是,經常檢查油量,看看水平是否高,幾乎我們談過的每個人都說他們注意到了。還要注意其他標誌,包括失速,失去動力,乘客艙內的氣味,以及在寒冷天氣下工作不佳或根本不起作用的加熱器。
如果您的車遇到上述任何症狀,請將其交給經銷商。告訴經銷商你知道本田希望在11月修好,你希望盡快完成修理。
如果你已經註意到這個問題好幾個月,並且本田未能解決它,請考慮查看你所在州的檸檬法,這可能要求公司買回汽車。特拉華州的霍頓說,他正在考慮邁出這一步。(汽車安全中心保留了州檸檬法律清單,或者你可以去你的州檢察長網站。)
您也可以考慮將本田帶到小額索賠法庭,但您可以贏得的金額可能僅限於您的維修費用。
請注意,2017款本田CR-V受到與可能的燃油洩漏有關的單獨,無關的召回。如果召回適用於您的汽車,請立即進行維修,並考慮同時向經銷商詢問公司對石油燃料問題的建議。(要查看此召回或任何其他召回是否適用於您的本田或任何其他車輛,請訪問NHTSA的召回頁面。)
如果您目前正在市場上購買本田CR-V,您可以考慮等到2019年型號可用,今年秋天的某個時候。本田表示,到那時它將解決這個問題。
如果您的CR-V出現油稀釋問題並且經歷失速或發動機功率損失,請向本田和NHTSA報告。如果他們得到足夠的類似投訴,汽車製造商和監管機構可以改變他們對問題的處理方法。要向NHTSA報告問題,請致電888-327-4236或訪問該機構的其中一個網站,NHTSA.gov或safercar.gov。要聯繫本田客戶服務,請致電800-999-1009或訪問其客戶服務網站。
誠實面對台灣消費者才是上策。
看起來是有問題,只是臺灣不夠冷不會機油問題,
但本田對於之前的賣出的1.5T,在里程數夠高汽缸環磨損加大時會不會有問題並沒有說明,
有買這車的還真的要在換油時一直關注有沒有問題
還是福特的引擎科技比較高超。。。
瓊斯 wrote:
從去年底開始,中國...(恕刪)
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